BAG · Barnabas Capital · Protected-Investment Distribution

Selling with Awareness

Advisors don't buy products. They buy a better outcome for their clients.

Most wholesaling teaches people what to pitch. This one teaches people how to think — and what to say instead.

5Their NeedsWhat 5 things need to be true? 3Your ActionsWhat 3 things can I do? 2The ContrastWhat 2 things must we measure?
5-3-2 = 0 — The Simple Math of Great Sales

Sales is the service of helping others balance where they are at and where they want to be.

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Structured Annuities / RILAs
Downside buffers and defined outcomes — protection with participation, in one wrapper.
They're buying protection
Structured Products
Defined-outcome notes and buffered strategies — shaped risk, shaped return.
They're buying certainty
Variable Life & LTC
Protection that does more than one job — legacy, tax efficiency, and care coverage.
They're buying peace of mind
I. Intentional Awareness

There are three kinds of awareness. Tap each to open it.

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Internal Awareness
Know for Yourself
How clear are you on what's important and why?
Before every advisor call, meeting, or follow-up.
Open

Clarity

  • What client outcome are they really trying to deliver?
  • What would make this call worth a busy advisor’s time?
  • What do I want to be true when this ends?

Motive

  • Why does this matter — client risk, income, or legacy?
  • Why now? What changed — markets, a review cycle, client demand?
  • Why should they trust me / Barnabas to help?

People

  • Who has a say — Advisor, Practice Operator, Gatekeeper, Influencer?
  • Who lives with it day to day — the advisor and their clients?
  • Who haven’t I accounted for — compliance, the OSJ, the platform?

Measure

  • How will they know it’s working — assets placed, retention, referrals?
  • How are they handling protection or risk today — what’s in the lineup?
  • What are they judged on — flows, client outcomes, growth?

Movement

  • What’s the next step — a case, an illustration, a follow-up?
  • What’s the smallest commitment that moves this forward?
  • What do I owe them when we hang up?
CreatesClarityFocusAction
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External Awareness
Read the Room
Who has a say & what role do they play?
What mode are they in & what's their win?
Open
Identify — who has a say
Advisor — FA / RIA Principal / Independent ProducerPractice Operator — Associate Advisor / Paraplanner / OpsGatekeeper — BD Compliance / OSJ / Due-DiligenceInfluencer — Platform team / Champion / COI
Uncover — what matters most
What they thinkHow they feel

Let’s stop asking “What question gets me the placement?” & start asking “What question uncovers their Mode?”

The best questions are simple, conversational, and easy to answer — the kind that don’t feel like discovery. Work them in this order, and each answer opens the door to the next:

SituationModeImprovementHook

Establish context without sounding like discovery.

  • WhatWhat do you know about…?
  • HowHow are you currently handling protection or downside risk in client portfolios?
  • WhereWhich client conversations are hardest right now?
  • WhatHas anything changed in how clients are reacting to markets?
  • WhatWhat are you focused on growing this year?

Where most wholesalers struggle. Instead of asking about facts, ask about experience — these tell you almost everything about their Mode.

  • HowHow’s that been working for you and your clients?
  • WhatWhat’s been the biggest challenge with protection solutions?
  • WhereWhere do you feel the most pressure from clients right now?
  • WhatWhat’s taking more time than it should — case design, approvals, education?
  • IfIf you could change one thing about how you handle risk, what would it be?

Advisors don’t buy products. They buy improvement.

  • WhatWhat would a better client outcome look like?
  • WhatWhat’s costing you the most today — in time, risk, or lost assets?
  • WhereWhere do you think the greatest opportunity is?
  • WhatWhat would make the biggest impact on retention or referrals?
  • IfIf this went exactly right, what changes for your clients?

Timing separates a real opportunity from a someday.

  • WhyWhy is this important now?
  • WhatWhat’s driving the timing — volatility, a review cycle, client demand?
  • WhatWhat happens to clients if nothing changes?
  • WhereIs there a deadline or event you’re working toward?
  • WhatWhat made this move to the top of your list?

Identify who matters before the case moves forward.

  • WhoBesides yourself, who else is involved in product decisions?
  • WhoWho ultimately approves it — compliance, the OSJ, due diligence?
  • WhoWho implements and services it day to day?
  • WhoWho else would want to weigh in?
  • WhatWhat does a win look like for each of them?
🪝 The HookOnce you’ve heard their Situation, Mode, and Improvement — the hook writes itself. Offer a next step that fits what they just told you, and move to a warm, informed next conversation.
Build the Hook

“It sounds like [Situation] is creating [Impact]. If there were a way to [Improvement], would it be helpful to see how?”

“It sounds like the recent volatility has your clients anxious about downside. If there were a way to keep them invested with a level of protection built in, would it be helpful to see how it works?”

Mode detection shapes how you ask — to gain their permission:
  • Growth “It sounds like you’re looking to…” → improvement
  • Trouble “It sounds like this is creating…” → relief
  • Even Keel “It sounds like things are working, but…” → possibility
  • Overconfident “It sounds like you’re comfortable with where things are…” → curiosity
Align — before end of conversation

Advisor phrasing shown. Tap any question to see how it changes for the Gatekeeper, Practice Operator & Influencer.

Defines the outcome — clarity

GatekeeperCompliance / Due-Diligence
What suitability or compliance requirements matter most?
Ex: Suitability, disclosures, carrier ratings, approvals
Practice OperatorExecution / Client Experience
What are you trying to improve for clients?
Ex: Downside protection, income, retention, case design
InfluencerPlatform / Alignment
What’s most important internally for this to land?
Ex: Platform buy-in, advisor adoption, firm alignment

Reveals the process — reality

GatekeeperCompliance / Due-Diligence
How are product approvals handled today?
Ex: Due diligence, OSJ, compliance, documentation
Practice OperatorExecution / Client Experience
How are you managing protection in portfolios today?
Ex: Current lineup, allocations, tools, illustrations
InfluencerPlatform / Alignment
How are decisions made and communicated?
Ex: Home office, platform team, advisor committee

Identifies friction — truth

GatekeeperCompliance / Due-Diligence
Where does risk or exposure show up?
Ex: Suitability gaps, concentration, disclosures, audits
Practice OperatorExecution / Client Experience
Where do things get stuck or off track?
Ex: Case design, approvals, client education, follow-through
InfluencerPlatform / Alignment
Where do priorities or perspectives conflict?
Ex: Growth vs. risk, cost vs. protection, competing products

Tests commitment — decision

GatekeeperCompliance / Due-Diligence
If this reduced client risk while staying compliant, what changes?
Ex: Confidence, cleaner suitability, fewer surprises
Practice OperatorExecution / Client Experience
If this were easier, what improves for you and your clients?
Ex: Better outcomes, retention, referrals, time saved
InfluencerPlatform / Alignment
If this succeeded, what would be possible for the practice?
Ex: Growth, deeper client trust, a stronger book
CreatesIdentifyUncoverAlign
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Situational Awareness
Solve for Improvement
Is this account worth pursuing?
The right account — and a real reason to reach out today.
Open
Right Fit
Is this advisor a fit for us?
  • A real client-portfolio need exists.
  • Our solutions fit how they build portfolios.
  • We solve a problem their lineup doesn’t.
  • The book and flows support the effort.
  • Room to grow beyond one allocation.
  • A channel and platform we serve.
  • I can reach the advisor and their gatekeepers.
  • A clear edge over what they use today.
  • Trust and credibility can be earned.
Right Now
Is now the right time for them?
  • Something isn’t working in the current lineup.
  • Client expectations or outcomes have shifted.
  • Market conditions expose a gap they feel.
  • Time to learn the strategy and case design.
  • Willingness to reallocate or add to the book.
  • Firm approval / platform availability exists.
  • A timing trigger — volatility, review cycle, or event.
  • Client demand is surfacing now.
  • Waiting a quarter carries a real cost.
Right Fit+Right Now=Opportunity Qualification
II. Simple Shifts

Change the word. Change the answer.

Same question. Different door. Tap any swap to open it.

Select a shift above to open it.
✕ Instead of
“Why are you using that carrier?”
✓ Try
“What led you to that carrier?”
“What went into that decision?”
Why it works
“Why” asks people to defend a decision. “What” asks them to describe one. Same information — without the wall going up.
✕ Instead of
“Tell me about your protection lineup.”
✓ Try
“Help me understand where the gaps are.”
“Help me get up to speed on how you position risk.”
Why it works
“Tell me” is a command — it puts you above them. “Help me” makes them the expert and you the student. People are wired to help.
✕ Instead of
“Why do you say that?”
✓ Try
“What makes you say that?”
Why it works
You get the story behind the statement instead of a defense of it. Use it any time they say something you don't understand yet — it never sounds like a challenge.
✕ Instead of
“Why did you place that with them instead of us?”
✓ Try
“Help me understand — what made that the better fit vs. this?”
Why it works
Asks about the choice, not the person. You learn the actual criteria they buy on — which is exactly what you need to position the right solution.
You're not softening the question. You're removing the reason to guard the answer.
Curiosity + Empathy = Context
How you show up before the conversation earns you the right to ask.
Belief + Trust = Content
What they share reveals what really matters.
Context + Content = Contrast
What you uncover reveals the distance between where they are and where they want to be.
Role + Mindset = Reality
Role = how they see the problem. Mindset = how they feel about the problem.
III. Gold for Ghosting

A Communication Framework

Awareness earns the meeting. This earns the reply.

5-Steps to Earning a Response

How to get a response without chasing people.

Tap any step to open the swap — what to stop saying, what to try instead, and why it works.

Select a step above to open it.

The psychology

See it in action
Tap an example to read the full outreach.

A UO Sales Manager reached out to a group after discovering limited information online indicating they were planning a trip to Orlando.

Good Afternoon,

Thank you for choosing Orlando & allowing the City to assist you in hosting The 2026 National Championships! (This is a mutually agreeable fact) On behalf of our Gold Key partnership with the Orange County Convention Center, your group qualifies for discounts up to 40% off Universal Orlando tickets. (Provides unique offer while acknowledging their choice & giving UO credibility)

Would you be against hosting a link for your Teams, Athletes, Coaches & Parents to save on their tickets? (Get your Yes with their No) We also have programs for you to resell them the tickets & raise money for your organization while still offering a substantial savings to the attendees. (Allow two choices, no more. Always two never three.)

If there were a way to provide your group with either one or the above options, what would be the best number to reach you at? (This is an easy to answer question)

Much appreciation,
Name
Title & UO signature line

OutcomeConference Planner called my Sales Manager back that evening on their way home.

A recent graduate from Embry-Riddle’s Engineering program was struggling to get responses to his job applications and resumes. After repeated silence, the outreach was going nowhere — so he changed the approach.

Afternoon Clay, (Email contact at Northrop Grumman he found online)

Congratulations on the launch of Lumberjack! (A mutually agreeable fact) As a recent Engineering graduate from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and having heard about its development just over a year ago, I can only imagine how rewarding this milestone must be for you and the team. (Sharing himself as the unique offer & appreciation of someone else’s accomplishment is always adding value)

Would you be against a quick call to share 3 or 4 key decisions that helped shape your career path? (Gets a Yes with their No) Alternatively, I’d be happy to stop by next time I’m in the area to drop off my resume in person. (Allow two choices, no more. Always two never three.)

What would work best for you? (An easy to answer question)

Much appreciation,
Jeremy Jackson

OutcomeContact responded next day, looking forward to connecting with JJ.

A wholesaler at Barnabas Capital received a list of advisors from a colleague who had recently spoken at an industry study group. Using the five-step format, he successfully engaged several of them.

Good Morning Todd,

We both know clients are asking harder questions about protecting what they’ve built. (A mutually agreeable fact) When you spoke with Garrett Williams at the study group, I understand he walked through how our buffered strategies give clients defined outcomes without giving up all the upside. (The unique offer — delivered as information, not a pitch)

If there were a way to give your risk-averse clients real downside protection while keeping them invested for growth — would you be against a short call with me and our regional director on 11/17? (Got his Yes with a No — and opened with “If there were a way…” not “If I had a way…” which would have subconsciously implied greater knowledge than the advisor)

We’ll be in your area on 11/17 meeting with a few advisor groups to walk through case examples.

Shortly after we meet and understand your clients’ needs, we could look at a specific case together to see exactly how it would work.

Would a meeting on 11/17, sometime between 3pm – 5pm or a dinner that evening work better for you? (Allow two choices, no more. Always two never three — and easy to answer.)

Much appreciation,
Brian

OutcomeContact responded & Brian began “Problem Solving,” going one for one out of the gate in his email follow-up that day.
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